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Any Artists going to Sakura Con...?

Journal Entry: Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:34 PM
Unfortunately I was unable to get into the tables for Sakura Con and boy I had high hopes to get a table, but unfortunately no.  I don't know if any artists who follow me have a table and I'm willing to discuss what I can do as repayment if you do have a table and willing to share!

I wanted to go attend as an artist table for the first time, but I guess my luck was horrendous, heh.  Kinda sucks they had to do a lotto the first time I had to apply, hopefully my luck gets better next time! But yes, please comment/note if you do have a table you're willing to share with me and we can discuss details! Thank you!

  • Listening to: Splatoon OST
  • Playing: Splatoon
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GrayComputer Featured By Owner Edited Dec 30, 2016  Student Digital Artist
That's too bad, Maybe next year.
I wish could go to Sakura Con, but I'm in Denver so, Yeah.
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moustapha443 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2016   Digital Artist
Wish I could go... but I could.
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bcfoster12 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016
You about to be sakura con huh all right
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silvermaxus253 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Student General Artist
Oh, you're gonna be at Sakura Con? Hope to see you there! Still need to buy my tickets, though...

does that mean you live around the Seattle area, or are you flying in? I'm the former.
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SaccharoKirby Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016
I haven't decided and I wanted to go if I got an artist table since this is my first time going to one.  I live in Washington and Seattle isn't too far from where I live!
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silvermaxus253 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Student General Artist
Neat! It's cool to hear from another Washingtonian on the internet. I live in Renton, but I've been going to college at Western over in Bellingham for the past two years and one quarter. Hopefully I'll see you there. I'm a big fan of your Smash and Splatoon comics. :D
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SaccharoKirby Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016
We'll see, I doubt I can be able to get to the con since I really wanted to get an art table.  If I do get one, maybe!
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silvermaxus253 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Student General Artist
Okay.
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GrayComputer Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I don't know, I kinda like teen titans go.
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caz-cina Featured By Owner Edited Dec 14, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
If you really want to find the thing you're looking for, I suggest watching Studio Ghibli movies. Most of them aren't heavily plot driven, and instead focus on character and atmosphere. Kiki's Delivery Service, My Neighbour Totoro, and Whisper of the Heart, to name a few.

Look out for Only Yesterday too. That's a Ghibli film that hasn't been dubbed into any other language, but my goodness it's such a good movie! Not heavily plot driven, just the inner thoughts of a young woman. I won't spoil too much but please check it out! It's one of my favorites.

Don't worry I can totally understand where you're coming from. Studio Ghibli is the one inspiration I take to make characters feel more human
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JadenFox999 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
That understandable, but sadly like you said, you can't relate to everyone. At least as long as the characters aren't as bad as Go, I don't mind personally.
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Videogamer80 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Huh. I can understand what you're talking about, but I myself don't care about a character seeming human, as I'd rather use a story as an escape rather than a lesson. Relatable characters are more for things like stories with a lesson, or drama, while not-relatable characters are used for stories of heroes, and stories based around events rather then people. And I just like that better.

Yes, morals and drama can be fun too, I'd rather not want to worry about when a character I like will be depressed next, and just see them have some fun rather then cry.
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RedBlueIsCool Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The thing about making characters relate-able is as you said, not everyone will relate. Some people relate to psychotic people or troubled minds. I relate to characters who look to embrace the good in life and have to face that struggle despite other people in their life not doing the same. They have to reflect on their motives on a constant basis. Stories can be real despite having a protagonist embracing the right thing to do; that's true. I do believe is a story is best when it at least shows the positive in the world. I also believe that's ultimately what people want.

I think you're realizing that much media today isn't interested in that idea. It becomes a charade. It boils down to "make character face a situation and be done with it." Aggrandizement through special effects or the sensual are hooks to reel people in. It becomes a product.

I see you're dedicated to creating more than just a product. I may not have your sensibilities in humor, even when I first looked at your work that year or two ago, but I decided to watch you because I saw you wanted to deliver. Give out your soul and I'm sure others will be able to see that.
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Joseph-Joeclone Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
Great summary!  We do need real characterization with real humanity plugged in.
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As I may have implied before, you may want to step out of your comfort zone a little if you want a variety of characters, including those who are "real." That is, you may want to see a wide variety of TV shows, films, BOOKS, comic, video games, and so forth. One thing you'll learn/may have learned about becoming a good writer is to read a lot. While this advice is often given to authors of literature, I imagine it would apply to storytellers of all kinds. I am glad to know your aren't dropping your comics.


 I was actually about to recommend a contemporary cartoon series to you, as cartoons seem to be within your comfort zone, but I see other people have already. XD Really though, check out Steven Universe. The characters are the best aspect of that show, and despite the extraordinary circumstances (and several characters being aliens), the cast is very complex and believable. While it has a strong plot, Steven Universe is very much character-driven. It is a bit of a slow start, but each episode is ten minutes, so it shouldn't take long for you to get absorbed into it.
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SaccharoKirby Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
The funny thing is I'm not much of a reader and I believe the best stories should come from the heart. Otherwise with literature peps read, it would bring back some of such elements. Which is why I'm oh so iffy on romance and all the common tropes. TVA and Rainmaker were all done and written completely from me, I relied on nothing more than my own personal experiences and portraying as if I'm in their shoes. It's hard becoming more original as the time goes on, but what I seek most of all are characters made and inspired deeply within from the artist/writer, show their struggles and being real, and hopefully connect to all readers.

I dunno if this appears as an excuse or not, but if does, apologies, heh. As for Steve Universe, you're more than welcome to reply on another reply I made in a previous comment, hah.
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GrayComputer Featured By Owner Edited Dec 18, 2016  Student Digital Artist
It makes me wonder why you're not being hired by anybody...
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CatrinSara Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I fully recommend watching Steven Universe. Its a kids show, but the struggles the characters go through are very real(I meant emotional struggles, the aliens are not so real), and the way other characters react are very understandable and relatable.

Haha, it's funny that a show about nonbinary lesbian aliens and their son is so emotional.

It's really well written, and if you don't like the first few episodes, please don't stop, the show gets, much, much, better.
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SaccharoKirby Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
Well I blame my lack of cable during my childhood... only had that darn thing for what? A year? Haha.

I unfortunately don't have the interest and that being said, it's more of the bigger films from AAA companies I wish would put in the same passion and character development. I remembered connecting to Mulan for being a woman shunned by men and a whole bunch. But now seems like it's more the plot and action than the characters films are focusing on, sadly.

But don't worry, I've seen bits of Steven Universe and I know it's one of the best cartoons and characters in a while! Just wish films would follow those examples.
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CatrinSara Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I only watched Mulan for the first time recently, and Mulan doesn't seem to get any character development.

But there are really good options out there!
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TyranitarRage Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2016
Watch a few cartoons. Yes, Cartoons. I recommend something like Gravity Falls or Steven universe!! 
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Kendall-WinterBlaze Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2016  Student Digital Artist
I agree. This is why I love Steven Universe so much; not only one: but ALL of the characters learn and grow in some way. This in one way is why I don't really have a least favorite character on that show ( And is the only media to do that besides Kid Icarus: Uprising ). 

Generic is everywhere, and its sad. Do you even know how many generic horror movie trailers I've seen on this Halloween alone? Not to mention every single love song.
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JadenFox999 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2016
I agree with yea, character development is nice to see, being able to enjoy the character, wonder what happens to them next, and see them grow.
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QuestMark Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So basically :

Every story should follow the rules that Clannad does.

(I'm perfectly fine with that.)
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Mineboy-DevianArt Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Basically, you are trying to avoid the generic side of characters development.
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KoolianaMoon Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016
I'm sorry, that must be hard not being able to show all that you want to.
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Joseph-Joeclone Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016
Case in point, Spider-Man One More Day.  TERRIBLE characterization in that piece of work.
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EximiusMax Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I kinda have to agree with you there. It is pretty sad how characters don't get the proper development they truly need these days...
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364wii Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Student Artist
I can't even begin to tell ya all the shows I have that have things you said, but Danny phantom is a good one for character growth. I'm a gamer and a cartoon lover so I think am a good guy to talk to about both.
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KHinablender Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd say that with your original characters, it's important to develop them as people but not necessarily with smash characters. You can ignore developing them as people because you're just building on what's already there. The games did that work for you, you can just have fun playing with the characters. And not adding anything to the people doesn't mean it's not worth writing about them.
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CassandraMarteena Featured By Owner Edited Dec 7, 2016   General Artist
As much as I agree with everything you wrote, I believe that you shouldn't beat yourself up over this because tbh, you're not the only one who probably has characters that haven't gone through character development. I have a lot of characters that haven't gone through character development and that I haven't even gotten time to work with yet. Not to mention, I write a lot of stories about my characters and some show character development but some I don't even consider those to be canon to their side of the story.

But otherwise I try to think of my characters as not me or not even as an extension of me but characters of their own with their own personalities and such even though I'd say my biggest flaw is having characters with the same personality type but different motives. (I mean, I have a lot of good cop, bad cop characters where one character is really one-sided and demands to have things their way while the other doesn't like taking that approach because they think it's too harsh). 
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Strawberry-Eggs Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016
I definitely value characters and characterization over plot. I'll gladly take a cast of wonderful and members characters involved in a trite plot over a grand story in which the characters don't develop and are barely distinguishable are each other. I don't necessarily look for realistic characters, especially since I tend to consume fantasy and science fiction. When characters are involved in extraordinary situations, I don't expect them to act totally like people in the real world. What I do want are believable characters, and preferably those who change and grow over the course of the story. Does their past influence their current personality in a way that makes sense? Do their actions make sense? Do the events in the story influence their personality, decisions, and beliefs in a way that makes sense? That's what I value. I get especially annoyed when a character behaves in a way that makes no sense for their personality (I'm looking at you, Morte from Sands of Destruction). 

Also mind you, I do enjoy stories where character development is scant, but the cast is still strong. As much as I value character development, how much I like a work of fiction over another depends on many other factors . For instance, let me compare Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World and Bravely Default. DotNW is very focused on the lead characters Emil and Marta. It's very much a story about Emil's growth as a person, Marta's to a lesser extent, and almost a romance. Emil and Marta helps each other to develop and become better people, which is why I adore  the game so much. Bravely Default has a core cast of four people, but they only slightly over the course of the game (and Tiz doesn't change at all). BD's story is not quite as character-driven, although the story would change greatly if not for who is involved. I would still rate Default's story and Dawn of the New World's about equally. Yeah, the story drags due to repetition and there are certain dumb plot points, but man are there some amazing and mind-blowing plot twists in that game. DotNW's plot is pretty good, but doesn't have that same "wow!" factor and isn't quite as original. The characters in Bravely Default may be weaker and  not develop much, but the stories in both games are equally as enjoyable.

I know plenty of character-driven stories in which they change and develop over time. I will grant a bunch of it comes from novels and as I recall, you are not much of  a reader. Maybe give books more of a shot? If If you want more games and anime, I could rattle off a few.

As for your comics, I'm of the opinion the author should write for themselves first and foremost. If it's not something you enjoy doing, then why do it? If you feel like SitF and Rainshine are not things you feel strongly enough about and want to work on, I'll respect that. Put out the stories you want. I'm sure I'll enjoy it either way. If I may reiterate, there's nothing wrong with a story in which the characters don't develop or barely do. A story can still be enjoyable with static characters, as long as they are characterized well.
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Jdoesstuff Featured By Owner Edited Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Not all characters have to have complex drawn out character arcs. Yes, characters are the most important thing in media. Otherwise, who's going to go through the story? But you don't always have learn something detrimental to your own personal traits in every situation you're in. Sometimes it's about the experience in the moment and seeing how certain characters would handle said situation with what they have, with the traights that defin them. Having the characters and viewer learn something is great in any media! In my book though, entertainment is one of the biggest musts in any media. As long as the structure and characters are interesting, sometimes just being entertaining is enough.

I don't want you to go thinking you have to stress yourself trying to make every character as deep and complex as some of the biggest literature out there! Remember,  these are just fan comics. it's not like your writing your own novel to sell.
Besides, even if most story concepts have been done before, regardless of how many times, that shouldn't stop you from putting your own twist on it. like making a surprise twist in the middle or changing the roles of the characters around or something!

In my book again, it's not just about getting from point A to point B, but HOW you get there that counts. Sorry if I'm not making any sense. But that's just how I think things out.:P
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brawlingwolf Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Your view on characterization is just what storytelling needs these days. I believe plot should be centered around the characters, not the other way around, and as I usually tell people: "If you remove the character and the story remains relatively unchanged, they need more development."

I've spent years in both fan works and an original novel to do the same thing: explore the characters. I like telling a story that people haven't read/seen over and over and over again. I like tackling heavier themes within them. I have no reservations about breaking a character's body and soul in order for them to grow and realize the truths about themselves and the world around them. Heck, that's why the protagonist of my novel develops a fear of getting his hair cut. 

Ultimately, you should be writing for you. If the author/artist isn't invested in his or her work, it's hard to expect anyone else to be. As an artist and author, it's best for you to be able to spread your creative wings, and if a project isn't letting you do that, it's completely up to you on whether to continue or not. Find another route that allows you to be the best storyteller you can be. 
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TamarinFrog Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Hmm... The reason I make comics is because I am a story teller. I love telling stories. I love plot twits. I love revealing things slowly about my characters and keeping people expecting and guessing what will happen next. It's a journey for me and the characters. I make comics, because I have a story to tell.

And while story is the most important thing for me, so are the characters. And to be fair, all my stories revolve around their lifes, their troubles, their feelings and what ever situations they get into. So yeah, the characters ARE the plot. And heck, dare I say I am doing something right since so many people seem to give a shit about them?... I dunno. I just try to have fun. Character developing is a long process. Heck, I started Random Doom almost 10-years-ago and the story and characters are still going through their journey.

Are my characters the most realistic ever? No. Are my stories rooted in real life and my own experiences? Heck no! The reason I read comics, or watch movies or play video games is to escape reality. Have a moment of excitement and fun that you can't get in real life. To me, when comics and media are at their best, they are a celebration of human imagination and where our minds can go. They also give us moments to laugh, cry, get angry and think. At their best at least.

I dunno if I am making sense or if this was even close to what you were talking about. And while it seems we have a different idea what makes a comic and its characters "good", I have one thing to say as someone who has done comics for over 10 years. Fun. 

I know I keep repeating this to everyone who asks me art tips but the main reason I draw comics or anything related to my characters is because it is fun. I love story telling. I love seeing people's reactions. I love interacting with people and their comments. I love my characters. I love seeing them grow as I draw them. That is where my passion boils down to, and why I've been doing this for over 10-years. When the artist enjoys what they are doing, you can see it. If you feel like doing your comics is not fun, for what ever reason, it might be a good time to think how to make it enjoyable, and if it is even possible.

Good luck. >w0)b
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ArchDarker Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Student General Artist
I preach this \(^o^)/ I couldn't have said it better than myself ^_^
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kirby1196 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
To give some feedback on your character dilemma, I can understand the feelings you are going through. You want them to be special or at the very least human and you want to get their story out to others so that they not only make a lasting impact on them but to also show just who they are. You want to focus more on character than plot, which I can understand.

You might not care but i've been writing for over a decade now and while my work isn't something to marvel at or cry tears of joy I like to believe I've improved far beyond what I used to write and have a good grasp of character and plot. If you want to make a beautiful story first-try with extremely human characters that's a bit of a tall order. Especially if you're now beginning to shift your characters towards that direction.

You probably already know this but realize that making a perfect story to portray your characters might not be achievable at this point. It takes a lot of character development and story boarding and if you're goal is to reach everyone that is simply impossible since not everyone will react the same to your characters.

If your goal is to just make a story that fits no tropes and nothing the media has ever done I advise staying away from that. It might be fun to try all sorts of crazy things that media hasn't plowed through yet but I guarantee you will have something in there hat either has been done before or is trending now. Plus if you went this route then you would have to shape your characters to the story since it might be so constricted and tight for character development that if they tried to be themselves that would break the non-trope story you have which I highly caution to stay away from.

My suggestion is a lot of playing with your characters.  If I want to revamp a character I basically go through a bunch of scenarios in my head. What do I want them to change to? What can I tweak to make them better for me? Maybe write a few scenes down and test whether you like that idea for them or if it's not rubbing you the right way.

And stories don't have to be big learning experiences, which is the same for us. When I go to the store to buy groceries I usually don't leave with something new inside myself or feel wiser. Usually I have bread and philsbury criossants to bake that weekend which is to say can make a boring story but don't fall into the mindset that everything has to be impactful or show something big about your character.

I feel I might have made you a little upset with me the last time I commented on your journal so take my advice with a grain of salt or nothing if you prefer. But I do hope you take something out of this giant paragraph and I do hope you find your way and achieve your desired outcome for your characters.

Good luck!
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Spoon300 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Student Writer
I have a feeling that you might need to read some Animorphs, it's a character-driven adventure series about a group of kids protecting earth from an Alien invasion of parasites known as Yeerks that control your mind.
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brawlingwolf Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I second this motion. Animorphs is amazing and I'm so happy to see someone else recommending it. 
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YoshiMan1118 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016
I agree that there really aren't many characters that you connect to anymore...... A good example of characters you feel for would be...... well.... almost any character in any old Disney Movie (the animated stuff...... screw the 3D. :m) Things like The Lion King, dealing with the loss of your father, at the hands of your uncle... assuming role as king..... growing up, and avenging your dead dad by kickin' your uncle's ass, after you have a warthog and meerkat teach you the ways of life. XD (after he whoops your ass, that is......... you know.... cuz the goodguy shouldn't win too easily.)

Or thinking about the cartoons they made...... like the Mickey Mouse cartoons of the 30's and 50's, and compare them to the ones we have today. The ones on youtube that ARE quite funny, but don't capture character relation at all......... it's primarily comedy. (this is pretty much my angle tho, so I can't complain.)

Anyways... don't discontinue your stuff because of a reason like that. If you wanna continue it.... continue it. Keep focus on your main character(s) and their struggles, or hardships, or watch them grow, or watch them experience the ways of life in their universe or whatever..... If you don't wanna continue...... then...... well........ don't continue them. Things happen, and we lose motivation for things as we gain motivation for other things.

I dunno what more to add. I agree, but also things can be good without the character being too "real" and relateable. Just as long as each character has a personality different from the others, I think it's fine. You don't have to relate to a character to like them. Like me....... I'm a character people like, but people can't relate to me cuz I'm so........... unique. :b (I mean my real self...... not my Yoshi-self, to clarify. XD)
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SaccharoKirby Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016
The thing is if no one's gonna change up their characters and it'll just be a character just drawn.  Especially in stories, where they may have personality, but what about their true inner character and how will that relate to us? I get that characters can be just fine the way they are without being "real", but if that's the case for nearly every character being portrayed, then it just doesn't seem memorable and showing that they don't exist.  It's kinda like eating the same food over again (if you're like me, I want to switch up my courses, heh.)

But I want them to have a lasting meaning to not just me, but to others, and show that over the course of their existence, they too are "human."  I might be expecting too much, but it's the one thing that I really wanna bring back and spread.
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bcfoster12 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016
I watch sonic x
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Strawberry-Eggs Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2016
As I often say, school and personal life come first. We'll completely understand. :)
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Gregster101 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2016
No need to be sorry about taking a long time with the commissions Candy. And I look forward to when the King/Queen reward comes back on Patreon :)
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wildnorwester Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2016
Good luck with the house move.  Having done that recently myself, I know it can be a bit stressful.  I hope it all goes well.
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Major-Link Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016
Sudden indeed... :unimpressed:

Well good luck on the move.
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CassandraMarteena Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016   General Artist
Well, good luck moving. 
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AdmiralPit Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016
Gee, talk about sudden.  I know it sounds cliche, but I hope the new place will be and look better for you. :hug:
The larger house means more space does sound interesting for sure, though.
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Flamebearrel Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow, what a surprise!

Well, good luck with moving in!
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FieryExplosion Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well that came out of left field.

Hope it turns out to be worth it...
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